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  • The John De Lange Sophisticated Prediction Contest: European Cups2020/2

    From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 15 03:41:05 2020
    It's that time of the year again: the European Cups SophCon!

    Download the spreadsheets here:

    https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2020/10/15/european-cups-2020-2021-group-stage-sophisticated-prediction-contest/

    Return the completed spreadsheets to futbolmetrix@yahoo.com before kickoff of the first match (early kickoffs on Tuesday October 20)
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Oct 19 07:16:13 2020
    On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    It's that time of the year again: the European Cups SophCon!

    Download the spreadsheets here:

    https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2020/10/15/european-cups-2020-2021-group-stage-sophisticated-prediction-contest/

    Return the completed spreadsheets to futbolmetrix@yahoo.com before kickoff of the first match (early kickoffs on Tuesday October 20)

    Entries so far:

    CL:
    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart @13Nil
    FiveThirtyEight
    Futbolmetrix
    Jesper
    Werner

    EL:
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    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil)
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Oct 20 05:52:39 2020
    On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 10:16:15 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    It's that time of the year again: the European Cups SophCon!

    Download the spreadsheets here:

    https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2020/10/15/european-cups-2020-2021-group-stage-sophisticated-prediction-contest/

    Return the completed spreadsheets to futbolmetrix@yahoo.com before kickoff of the first match (early kickoffs on Tuesday October 20)

    Entries so far:

    CL:
    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart @13Nil
    FiveThirtyEight
    Futbolmetrix
    Jesper
    Werner

    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil)
    Infogol
    FiveThirtyEight
    Futbolmetrix
    Jesper
    Werner Pichler
    Betfair
    fitbawnumbers
    UEFA
    TransferMarkt
    ClubElo
    Derbs Mcgee
    Georg (@kickandcash)
    Anders T



    EL:
    ----
    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil)


    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil)
    fitbawnumbers
    FiveThirtyEight
    Jesper

    We need to get our EL juices going!
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 22 05:19:07 2020
    On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 8:52:41 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    Entries so far:

    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil)
    Infogol
    FiveThirtyEight
    Futbolmetrix
    Jesper
    Werner Pichler
    Betfair
    fitbawnumbers
    UEFA
    TransferMarkt
    ClubElo
    Derbs Mcgee
    Georg (@kickandcash)
    Anders T
    @WillFenwick
    MH
    Lorenzo Carli
    Lorenzo Carli_outright
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo
    Collective Consciousness








    EL:

    We need to get our EL juices going!

    Entries so far:

    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil)
    fitbawnumbers
    FiveThirtyEight
    Jesper
    Futbolmetrix
    Lorenzo Carli
    Lorenzo Carli_outright
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo
    ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix)
    TransferMarkt
    UEFA
    Werner Pichler
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  • From anders t@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 22 19:54:23 2020
    Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
    EL:

    We need to get our EL juices going!

    Entries so far:

    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil)
    fitbawnumbers
    FiveThirtyEight
    Jesper
    Futbolmetrix
    Lorenzo Carli
    Lorenzo Carli_outright
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo
    ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix)
    TransferMarkt
    UEFA
    Werner Pichler

    Did you get my EL entry?


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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 22 10:56:49 2020
    On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 1:54:28 PM UTC-4, anders t wrote:
    Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
    EL:

    We need to get our EL juices going!

    Entries so far:

    Agnostic
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil)
    fitbawnumbers
    FiveThirtyEight
    Jesper
    Futbolmetrix
    Lorenzo Carli
    Lorenzo Carli_outright
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo
    ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix)
    TransferMarkt
    UEFA
    Werner Pichler

    Did you get my EL entry?


    yes I did, and MH's one too. With Collective Consciousness, that wraps up the EL SophCon entries
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Oct 23 05:34:11 2020
    On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    It's that time of the year again: the European Cups SophCon!

    Download the spreadsheets here:

    https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2020/10/15/european-cups-2020-2021-group-stage-sophisticated-prediction-contest/

    Return the completed spreadsheets to futbolmetrix@yahoo.com before kickoff of the first match (early kickoffs on Tuesday October 20)


    Standings after MD1:

    Champions League:

    Anders T -32.562
    Agnostic -33.271
    Lorenzo Carli -35.291
    Derbs Mcgee -36.150
    ClubElo -37.103
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -37.129
    CollectiveConsciousness -37.267
    FiveThirtyEight -38.001
    Betfair -38.005
    TransferMarkt -38.291
    Georg (@kickandcash) -38.570
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo -38.720
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -39.107
    fitbawnumbers -39.336
    Infogol -39.880
    @WillFenwick -42.914
    UEFA -44.107
    Futbolmetrix -44.240
    MH -44.811
    Werner Pichler -46.192
    Jesper -253.983

    It helps Anders that he is such a ManU homer!



    Europa League:

    Lorenzo Carli_outright -29.313
    Futbolmetrix -29.473
    Lorenzo Carli -29.506
    Anders T -29.897
    CollectiveConsciousness -30.085
    FiveThirtyEight -30.511
    MH -30.643
    fitbawnumbers -31.000
    ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -31.055
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo -31.376
    Werner Pichler -32.247
    TransferMarkt -32.937
    Jesper -33.023
    Agnostic -33.271
    UEFA -37.049
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -41.245


    Shouldn't have allowed Lorenzo Carli to submit multiple entries!

    You can also download the Master spreadsheet and play with the outcomes from my Wordpress site:

    https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2020/10/15/european-cups-2020-2021-group-stage-sophisticated-prediction-contest/
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  • From anders t@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Oct 23 23:49:17 2020
    Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
    It helps Anders that he is such a ManU homer!

    You'll never find BANDWAGONER tatooed on me!


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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Oct 30 06:10:41 2020
    On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 8:34:14 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Standings after MD2:


    Champions League:
    -----------------
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo -24.883
    Lorenzo Carli -25.092
    Infogol -25.507
    Georg (@kickandcash) -25.531
    Anders T -25.806
    CollectiveConsciousness -26.081
    fitbawnumbers -26.477
    EuroClubIndex -26.896
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -26.926
    UEFA -26.928
    ClubElo -27.127
    FiveThirtyEight -27.251
    TransferMarkt -27.459
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -27.964
    Betfair -28.377
    Futbolmetrix -28.834
    MH -28.924
    @WillFenwick -29.978
    Derbs Mcgee -30.668
    Werner Pichler -31.915
    Agnostic -33.271
    Jesper -99.007

    Real better get out of that last spot if Jesper wants to avoid the Hall of Shame. Anders first of the humans (not that I want to kindle any inter-Scandinavian rivalry...)


    Europa League
    --------------
    EuroClubIndex -25.167
    Lorenzo Carli -25.473
    Werner Pichler -25.539
    CollectiveConsciousness -25.894
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -25.900
    Futbolmetrix -25.921
    MH -26.543
    ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -26.665
    FiveThirtyEight -26.694
    Anders T -26.853
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo -26.926
    fitbawnumbers -27.172
    TransferMarkt -27.562
    UEFA -29.595
    Jesper -29.711
    Agnostic -33.271
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -39.325

    New entry EuroClubIndex reaches top spot, RSS's resident EL expert the first of the humans.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Dec 9 12:19:15 2020
    On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:10:44 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 8:34:14 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Standings after MD2:


    Champions League:
    -----------------
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo -24.883
    Lorenzo Carli -25.092
    Infogol -25.507
    Georg (@kickandcash) -25.531
    Anders T -25.806
    CollectiveConsciousness -26.081
    fitbawnumbers -26.477
    EuroClubIndex -26.896
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -26.926
    UEFA -26.928
    ClubElo -27.127
    FiveThirtyEight -27.251
    TransferMarkt -27.459
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -27.964
    Betfair -28.377
    Futbolmetrix -28.834
    MH -28.924
    @WillFenwick -29.978
    Derbs Mcgee -30.668
    Werner Pichler -31.915
    Agnostic -33.271
    Jesper -99.007

    Real better get out of that last spot if Jesper wants to avoid the Hall of Shame. Anders first of the humans (not that I want to kindle any inter-Scandinavian rivalry...)


    Europa League
    --------------
    EuroClubIndex -25.167
    Lorenzo Carli -25.473
    Werner Pichler -25.539
    CollectiveConsciousness -25.894
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -25.900
    Futbolmetrix -25.921
    MH -26.543
    ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -26.665
    FiveThirtyEight -26.694
    Anders T -26.853
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo -26.926
    fitbawnumbers -27.172
    TransferMarkt -27.562
    UEFA -29.595
    Jesper -29.711
    Agnostic -33.271
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -39.325

    New entry EuroClubIndex reaches top spot, RSS's resident EL expert the first of the humans.

    Live UCL standings before the last batch of matches:

    FiveThirtyEight -21.641
    ClubElo -21.666
    Lorenzo Carli_ClubElo -21.695
    fitbawnumbers -21.904
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -22.735
    CollectiveConsciousness -22.899
    Werner Pichler -22.997
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -23.067
    Futbolmetrix -23.257
    Georg (@kickandcash) -23.347
    Derbs Mcgee -23.531
    EuroClubIndex -23.543
    Infogol -23.732
    Lorenzo Carli -23.875
    @WillFenwick -24.632
    UEFA -24.949
    TransferMarkt -24.980
    Anders T -25.670
    Betfair -25.964
    MH -26.863
    Agnostic -33.271
    Jesper -95.708
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Dec 9 12:20:51 2020
    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Live UCL standings before the last batch of matches:


    RM - BM 1-0

    fitbawnumbers -19.656
    Werner Pichler -19.691
    FiveThirtyEight -19.988
    Lorenzo Carli_ClubElo -20.086
    ClubElo -20.108
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -20.181
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -20.763
    Futbolmetrix -20.853
    EuroClubIndex -21.047
    CollectiveConsciousness -21.054
    Infogol -21.398
    @WillFenwick -21.437
    Lorenzo Carli -21.792
    Derbs Mcgee -22.119
    Georg (@kickandcash) -22.227
    TransferMarkt -22.493
    UEFA -22.974
    Betfair -23.111
    Anders T -24.448
    MH -25.465
    Agnostic -33.271
    Jesper -92.412
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Dec 9 12:23:00 2020
    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Live UCL standings before the last batch of matches:


    Otavio of Porto sends Marseille to the Europa League:

    Werner Pichler -19.398
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -19.816
    fitbawnumbers -19.952
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -20.168
    Lorenzo Carli_ClubElo -20.314
    ClubElo -20.374
    Futbolmetrix -20.651
    @WillFenwick -20.678
    Lorenzo Carli -20.738
    CollectiveConsciousness -20.763
    FiveThirtyEight -20.940
    EuroClubIndex -21.047
    TransferMarkt -21.360
    Infogol -21.398
    Derbs Mcgee -21.951
    Georg (@kickandcash) -21.975
    MH -22.587
    Betfair -23.111
    UEFA -23.513
    Anders T -23.979
    Agnostic -33.271
    Jesper -91.873
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Dec 9 13:15:27 2020
    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:23:02 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Live UCL standings before the last batch of matches:

    Otavio of Porto sends Marseille to the Europa League:


    Ferran Torres and we are back to square one: Olympiacos in the EL, Marseille out.

    Futbolmetrix's profile photo
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    3:20 PM (1 hour ago)
    to
    On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Live UCL standings before the last batch of matches:


    RM - BM 1-0

    fitbawnumbers -19.656
    Werner Pichler -19.691
    FiveThirtyEight -19.988
    Lorenzo Carli_ClubElo -20.086
    ClubElo -20.108
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -20.181
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -20.763
    Futbolmetrix -20.853
    EuroClubIndex -21.047
    CollectiveConsciousness -21.054
    Infogol -21.398
    @WillFenwick -21.437
    Lorenzo Carli -21.792
    Derbs Mcgee -22.119
    Georg (@kickandcash) -22.227
    TransferMarkt -22.493
    UEFA -22.974
    Betfair -23.111
    Anders T -24.448
    MH -25.465
    Agnostic -33.271
    Jesper -92.412
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Dec 11 04:53:32 2020
    On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    It's that time of the year again: the European Cups SophCon!

    Final Standings:
    CL SophCon
    fitbawnumbers -19.656
    Werner Pichler -19.691
    FiveThirtyEight -19.988
    Lorenzo Carli_ClubElo -20.086
    ClubElo -20.108
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -20.181
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -20.763
    Futbolmetrix -20.853
    EuroClubIndex -21.047
    CollectiveConsciousness -21.054
    Infogol -21.398
    @WillFenwick -21.437
    Lorenzo Carli -21.792
    Derbs Mcgee -22.119
    Georg (@kickandcash) -22.227
    TransferMarkt -22.493
    UEFA -22.974
    Betfair -23.111
    Anders T -24.448
    MH -25.465
    Agnostic -33.271
    Jesper -92.412
    fitbawnumbers defends his UCL Group Stage title from last year. Werner with a very respectable second place, first of the humans. Some more analysis here: https://twitter.com/Futbolmetrix1/status/1337365811254747136?s=20
    (Quickie version: FiveThirtyEight would have won if we had used a different scoring rule; EuroClubIndex (of old RSSer Simon Gleave aka Shaggy) would have won if it had published also the probabilities of finishing in 3td place; Jack Cathcart @13Nil would have won without Lukaku's save of Alexis Sanchez's header...That header would have also saved Jesper from the Hall of Shame, but alas...
    EL SophCon final standings:
    EuroClubIndex -19.703
    Lorenzo Carli_clubelo -20.465
    ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -20.671
    FiveThirtyEight -21.178
    Futbolmetrix -21.397
    fitbawnumbers -21.678
    CollectiveConsciousness -22.206
    Jesper -22.530
    MH -23.739
    TransferMarkt -24.106
    Lorenzo Carli_outright -24.296
    Lorenzo Carli -24.485
    Werner Pichler -25.539
    Anders T -25.997
    UEFA -28.181
    Jack Cathcart (@13Nil) -29.102
    Agnostic -33.271
    EuroClubIndex with a convincing win, and the moral double. I'm first of the humans in 5th place. ClubElo once again just edging FiveThirtyEight
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Dec 11 05:00:36 2020
    On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 7:53:35 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    It's that time of the year again: the European Cups SophCon!

    Final Standings:

    Updated Hall of Sophistication:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/a80weqs42274ydk/HallOfSophistication.xlsx?raw=1

    MH 9
    Werner Pichler 7
    Jesus Petry 7
    Anders T 7
    Jesper Lauridsen 6
    Futbolmetrix 6
    Binder Dundat 5
    FiveThirtyEight 4
    Club Elo 4
    7h@ch 3
    Jussi Uosukainen 3
    AQB 2
    Jimmy Featherstone 2
    fitbawnumbers 2
    Clement 2
    ruud 2
    Lorenzo Carli 1
    Dec Tech 1
    Agnostic 1
    Matthias Muehlich 1
    TransferMarkt 1
    Colin 1
    FIFA (implemented by Futbolmetrix 1
    MMcC 1
    Remiqz 1
    Renato Guadagnolo 1
    Silver Aurora 1
    Gronaldo 1
    EuroClubIndex 1
    Tim Hooper 1
    Abubakr 1
    Voros McCracken 1
    La Violeta 1
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  • From anders t@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Dec 12 22:54:10 2020
    Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
    Anders T 7
    Jesper Lauridsen 6
    Futbolmetrix 6

    All I need. :-)


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