A:
Bayern
Atl|-tico Madrid
Salzburg
Lokomotiv Moscow
B:
Real Madrid
Shakhtar Donetsk
Inter
Gladbach
C:
Porto
M. City
Olympiakos
Marseille
D:
Liverpool
Ajax
Atalanta
Midtjylland
E:
Sevilla
Chelsea
Krasnodar
Rennes
F:
Zenit
Dortmund
Lazio
Club Brugge
H:
Paris Saint-Germain
M. United
Leipzig
Basaksehir
G:
Juventus
Barcelona
Dinamo Kiev
Ferencv|iros
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On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:20:21 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

A:
Bayern
Atl|-tico Madrid
Salzburg
Lokomotiv Moscow

Interesting draw, can Salzburg challenge the big two? I say they fall short. Bayern and Atleti.

B:
Real Madrid
Shakhtar Donetsk
Inter
Gladbach

Pretty deathly group. Conte won't be happy, but neither will his opponents. Real and Inter.

C:
Porto
M. City
Olympiakos
Marseille

Marseille from Pot 4 makes this slightly less the Group of Life. City and OM?

D:
Liverpool
Ajax
Atalanta
Midtjylland

Group of fun. Liverpool and Atalanta.

E:
Sevilla
Chelsea
Krasnodar
Rennes

Balanced group, but not that much quality. Chelsea and Sevilla.

F:
Zenit
Dortmund
Lazio
Club Brugge

Dortmund and Club Brugge in a surprise outcome.

G:
Juventus
Barcelona
Dinamo Kiev
Ferencv|iros

I'm sure nobody noticed this yet, but this means it's Ronaldo vs. Messi! This looks like the best possible pairing for Juve and Barca (with apparently weak-ish opponents from Pots 3 and 4), but you never know.

H:
Paris Saint-Germain
M. United
Leipzig
Basaksehir

Another deathly group. I say PSG and Leipzig.
SophCon spreadsheet to come
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On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:30:55 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:20:21 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

A:
Bayern
Atl|-tico Madrid
Salzburg
Lokomotiv Moscow

Interesting draw, can Salzburg challenge the big two? I say they fall short. Bayern and Atleti.

You really went for some left field picks there!
Same for me :-)

B:
Real Madrid
Shakhtar Donetsk
Inter
Gladbach

Pretty deathly group. Conte won't be happy, but neither will his opponents. Real and Inter.

If the #2 seed was from a bigger league this group would've been delicious. But Shakhtar are no slouches.
Real and Inter.

C:
Porto
M. City
Olympiakos
Marseille

Marseille from Pot 4 makes this slightly less the Group of Life. City and OM?

Marseille have started the season at 2-2-1 in mighty Ligue 1.
City and Porto.

D:
Liverpool
Ajax
Atalanta
Midtjylland

LFC and Atalanta (not Georgia)

Group of fun. Liverpool and Atalanta.

E:
Sevilla
Chelsea
Krasnodar
Rennes

Balanced group, but not that much quality. Chelsea and Sevilla.

Same.

F:
Zenit
Dortmund
Lazio
Club Brugge

Dortmund and Club Brugge in a surprise outcome.

Dortmund and Lazio.

G:
Juventus
Barcelona
Dinamo Kiev
Ferencv|iros

I'm sure nobody noticed this yet, but this means it's Ronaldo vs. Messi! This looks like the best possible pairing for Juve and Barca (with apparently weak-ish opponents from Pots 3 and 4), but you never know.

Yawn, Same.

H:
Paris Saint-Germain
M. United
Leipzig
Basaksehir

Another deathly group. I say PSG and Leipzig.

Toughest group.
PSG and Istanbul.
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On Thursday, 1 October 2020 18:30:55 UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:20:21 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

A:
Bayern
Atl|-tico Madrid
Salzburg
Lokomotiv Moscow

Interesting draw, can Salzburg challenge the big two?

No. Their attack is worse than last year, and their defence is just as bad.
I shudder to think of Lewandowski and Su|irez against Ramalho/W||ber.
But it's good to see them establish themselves in the CL.

I say they fall short. Bayern and Atleti.

Atl|-tico might even shithouse their way to the group win.
OTOH Lokomotiv finished last in their CL group in the last two years (and
still keep getting qualified directly, that's the problem with the system) Atl|-tico
Bayern
Salzburg
Lokomotiv

B:
Real Madrid
Shakhtar Donetsk
Inter
Gladbach

Pretty deathly group. Conte won't be happy, but neither will his opponents. Real and Inter.

Very deathly. A true test for humans and bots.
Shakhtar
Real Madrid
Gladbach
Inter

C:
Porto
M. City
Olympiakos
Marseille

Marseille from Pot 4 makes this slightly less the Group of Life. City and OM?

Very easy for Man City, as usual. Maybe that's the problem, they never meet anybody worthwhile until the latter stages of the tournament?
Man City
Marseille
Porto

D:
Liverpool
Ajax
Atalanta
Midtjylland

Group of fun. Liverpool and Atalanta.

Great group. I would have loved for Salzburg to be drawn into this one. Liverpool
Atalanta
Ajax

E:
Sevilla
Chelsea
Krasnodar
Rennes

Balanced group, but not that much quality. Chelsea and Sevilla.

Nice Europa League group. Sevilla have to finish in third!
BTW I never see this mentioned when there's talk of billionaires' playthings, but Rennes are owned by one of the richest guys in the world, and he's married to Salma Hayek, too.
Chelsea
Rennes
Sevilla

F:
Zenit
Dortmund
Lazio
Club Brugge

Dortmund and Club Brugge in a surprise outcome.

Lazio
Dortmund
Zenit

G:
Juventus
Barcelona
Dinamo Kiev
Ferencv|iros

I'm sure nobody noticed this yet, but this means it's Ronaldo vs. Messi!

No way!

This looks like the best possible pairing for Juve and Barca (with apparently weak-ish opponents from Pots 3 and 4), but you never know.

Ferencv|iros will just be happy to be there. 0-0-6 incoming.
Juventus
Barcelona
Dynamo Kiev

H:
Paris Saint-Germain
M. United
Leipzig
Basaksehir

Another deathly group. I say PSG and Leipzig.

Leipzig
PSG
Man United

SophCon spreadsheet to come

Ciao,
Werner
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On Thursday, 1 October 2020 19:02:42 UTC+2, Al Kamista wrote:

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:30:55 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:20:21 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

C:
Porto
M. City
Olympiakos
Marseille

Marseille from Pot 4 makes this slightly less the Group of Life. City and OM?

Marseille have started the season at 2-2-1 in mighty Ligue 1.

City and Porto.

H:
Paris Saint-Germain
M. United
Leipzig
Basaksehir

Another deathly group. I say PSG and Leipzig.

Toughest group.

PSG and Istanbul.

Well, Ba+fak+fehir have started in the even mightier Turkish League with three consecutive defeats, two of them against newly promoted sides, and zero goals. Ciao,
Werner
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In article <c0fccec2-eff6-4a9d-8ce7-b2118e7efe70o@googlegroups.com>,
Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@stofanet.dk> wrote:

A:
Bayern
Atl|-tico Madrid
Salzburg
Lokomotiv Moscow

Two 2!

B:
Real Madrid
Shakhtar Donetsk
Inter
Gladbach

Group of Death!

C:
Porto
M. City
Olympiakos
Marseille

Yet another group of Death.

D:
Liverpool
Ajax
Atalanta
Midtjylland

Pool and Ajax

E:
Sevilla
Chelsea
Krasnodar
Rennes

Sevilla and Chelsea.

F:
Zenit
Dortmund
Lazio
Club Brugge

Low quailiy here.

H:
Paris Saint-Germain
M. United
Leipzig
Basaksehir

Man U and PSG

G:
Juventus
Barcelona
Dinamo Kiev
Ferencv|iros

Not F!
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On 2020-10-01, Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@stofanet.dk> wrote:

B:
Real Madrid
Shakhtar Donetsk
Inter
Gladbach

F:
Zenit
Dortmund
Lazio
Club Brugge

Inter and Lazio were the last two teams left in the Pot 3 draw. At
that point they stopped drawing and just put them in group B and F. I
don't get that - either team should be able to go into either group.

D:
Liverpool
Ajax
Atalanta
Midtjylland

The Thomas Gronnemark group.
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On 2020-10-01, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, 1 October 2020 18:30:55 UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:20:21 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote: >> > A:

Bayern
Atlotico Madrid
Salzburg
Lokomotiv Moscow

Atlotico might even shithouse their way to the group win.

I could have done without them.

BTW I never see this mentioned when there's talk of billionaires' playthings, but Rennes are owned by one of the richest guys in the world, and he's married
to Salma Hayek, too.

From his wiki page:

He dated supermodel Linda Evangelista from September 2005 to January
2006. They had a son together, Augustin James Evangelista (b. October 2006).

In April 2006, he started dating the actress Salma Hayek.

Some interesting timings...

Chelsea
Rennes
Sevilla

F:
Zenit
Dortmund
Lazio
Club Brugge

Dortmund and Club Brugge in a surprise outcome.

Lazio
Dortmund
Zenit

G:
Juventus
Barcelona
Dinamo Kiev
Ferencvbros

I'm sure nobody noticed this yet, but this means it's Ronaldo vs. Messi!

No way!

This looks like the best possible pairing for Juve and Barca (with apparently
weak-ish opponents from Pots 3 and 4), but you never know.

Ferencvbros will just be happy to be there. 0-0-6 incoming.

Juventus
Barcelona
Dynamo Kiev

H:
Paris Saint-Germain
M. United
Leipzig
Basaksehir

Another deathly group. I say PSG and Leipzig.

Leipzig
PSG
Man United

SophCon spreadsheet to come

Ciao,
Werner

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On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 11:17:44 AM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

Inter and Lazio were the last two teams left in the Pot 3 draw. At
that point they stopped drawing and just put them in group B and F. I
don't get that - either team should be able to go into either group.

No, there's also something called "TV pairings": Inter was paired with Juve, so, given Juve was in the bottom half of the draw (Group G), Inter had to be in the top half.
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