Later today.
Champions League:
Seeded:
Bayern / Dortmund / Chelsea / Juventus / Liverpool / Manchester City /
Paris Saint-Germain / Real Madrid
Unseeded:
Atalanta / Atl|-tico / Barcelona / M||nchengladbach / Lazio / Leipzig / Porto / Sevilla
Europa League:
Seeded:
Ajax / Arsenal / Brugge / Dinamo Zagreb / Hoffenheim / Leicester /
Leverkusen / Manchester United / Milan / Napoli / PSV / Rangers / Roma / Shakhtar Donetsk / Tottenham / Villarreal
Unseeded:
Antwerp / Benfica / Braga / Crvena Zvezda / Dynamo Kyiv / Granada /
Krasnodar / Lille / Maccabi Tel-Aviv / Molde / Olympiacos / Real Sociedad / Salzburg / Slavia Praha / Wolfsberg / Young Boys
Teams from the same association or that were in the same group can't be
drawn against each other, and neither can Shakhtar and Krasnodar.
May I just draw attention to the quite singular fact that all five current league leaders from the Top 5 nations are not to be found in the Champions League but the Europa League draw (Real Sociedad, Tottenham, Milan,
Leverkusen, Lille) where they are joined by the league leaders of nations 8 to 12 (Ajax, Brugge, Salzburg, Rangers, Dynamo Kiev).
Doesn't get any more old school European Cup than that, these days.
Ciao,
Werner
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On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 8:56:24 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

Later today.

Champions League:

Seeded:
Bayern / Dortmund / Chelsea / Juventus / Liverpool / Manchester City /
Paris Saint-Germain / Real Madrid

Unseeded:
Atalanta / Atl|-tico / Barcelona / M||nchengladbach / Lazio / Leipzig / Porto / Sevilla

M||nchengladbach v Manchester City
Lazio v Bayern
Atl|-tico v Chelsea
Leipzig v Liverpool
Porto v Juventus
Barcelona v Paris Saint-Germain
Sevilla v Dortmund
Atalanta v Real Madrid
Ciao,
Werner
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On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 8:56:24 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

Later today.

Europa League:

Seeded:
Ajax / Arsenal / Brugge / Dinamo Zagreb / Hoffenheim / Leicester / Leverkusen / Manchester United / Milan / Napoli / PSV / Rangers / Roma / Shakhtar Donetsk / Tottenham / Villarreal

Unseeded:
Antwerp / Benfica / Braga / Crvena Zvezda / Dynamo Kyiv / Granada / Krasnodar / Lille / Maccabi Tel-Aviv / Molde / Olympiacos / Real Sociedad / Salzburg / Slavia Praha / Wolfsberg / Young Boys

Wolfsberg v Tottenham

Dynamo Kyiv v Brugge

Real Sociedad v Manchester United

Benfica v Arsenal

Crvena Zvezda v Milan

Antwerp v Rangers

Slavia Praha v Leicester

Salzburg v Villarreal

Braga v Roma

Krasnodar v Dinamo Zagreb

Young Boys v Leverkusen

Molde v Hoffenheim

Granada v Napoli

Maccabi Tel-Aviv v Shakhtar Donetsk

Lille v Ajax

Olympiacos v PSV



Ciao,
Werner
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On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 6:40:08 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

M||nchengladbach v Manchester City

City

Lazio v Bayern

Easy for Bayern.

Atl|-tico v Chelsea

Atleti

Leipzig v Liverpool

Need some upsets. Leipzig.

Porto v Juventus

Or maybe an upset here?

Barcelona v Paris Saint-Germain

Both teams going through a bit of a difficult patch right now. Barca.

Sevilla v Dortmund

Toto, I have a feeling we're not in the Europa League anymore... or maybe yes? Dortmund

Atalanta v Real Madrid

Upsetting news of the day is that Papu Gomez has gotten into a fight with Gasperini and wants out :-( Things you don't want to see at Atalanta. Real, easily.
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In article <92ff19a5-85ae-45d4-90eb-6d38ff8ff3f9n@googlegroups.com>,
Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 8:56:24 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

Later today.


Champions League:

Seeded:
Bayern / Dortmund / Chelsea / Juventus / Liverpool / Manchester City /
Paris Saint-Germain / Real Madrid

Unseeded:
Atalanta / Atl|-tico / Barcelona / M||nchengladbach / Lazio / Leipzig

/ Porto / Sevilla

M||nchengladbach v Manchester City

Man C to go ahead

Lazio v Bayern

Munich in an ugly one

Atl|-tico v Chelsea

Chelsea

Leipzig v Liverpool

Pool

Porto v Juventus

Porto

Barcelona v Paris Saint-Germain

PSG

Sevilla v Dortmund

Sevilla

Atalanta v Real Madrid

RM

Ciao,
Werner

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In article <8532f0a0-ebd6-4264-b54c-f688e5f41932n@googlegroups.com>,
Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 8:56:24 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

Later today.


Europa League:

Seeded:
Ajax / Arsenal / Brugge / Dinamo Zagreb / Hoffenheim / Leicester /
Leverkusen / Manchester United / Milan / Napoli / PSV / Rangers / Roma /
Shakhtar Donetsk / Tottenham / Villarreal

Unseeded:
Antwerp / Benfica / Braga / Crvena Zvezda / Dynamo Kyiv / Granada /
Krasnodar / Lille / Maccabi Tel-Aviv / Molde / Olympiacos / Real Sociedad / >> Salzburg / Slavia Praha / Wolfsberg / Young Boys

Wolfsberg v Tottenham

Spurs

Dynamo Kyiv v Brugge

Kyiv

Real Sociedad v Manchester United

Man U is a tough fight.

Benfica v Arsenal

Arsenal!

Crvena Zvezda v Milan

Belgrade

Antwerp v Rangers

Rangers

Slavia Praha v Leicester

Leicester

Salzburg v Villarreal

Villarreal

Braga v Roma

Braga

Krasnodar v Dinamo Zagreb

Zagreb

Young Boys v Leverkusen

Young Boys

Molde v Hoffenheim

Molde

Granada v Napoli

Granada

Maccabi Tel-Aviv v Shakhtar Donetsk

Tel-Aviv

Lille v Ajax

Lille

Olympiacos v PSV

PSV

Ciao,
Werner

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On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 12:40:08 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 8:56:24 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

Later today.

Champions League:

Seeded:
Bayern / Dortmund / Chelsea / Juventus / Liverpool / Manchester City / Paris Saint-Germain / Real Madrid

Unseeded:
Atalanta / Atl|-tico / Barcelona / M||nchengladbach / Lazio / Leipzig / Porto / Sevilla

M||nchengladbach v Manchester City

Could City's luck in the draws be again their undoing? (since they've often failed to up
their game once they finally had to play a serious contender)

Lazio v Bayern

Should be easy for Bayern.

Atl|-tico v Chelsea

50/50
I guess a lot will depend on the respective league tables in February.

Leipzig v Liverpool

I'll be counting former Salzburg players in this one.

Porto v Juventus

Porto have had a slightly subpar start to their domestic season and an easy
CL Group. Juve should make it.

Barcelona v Paris Saint-Germain

Revenge?

Sevilla v Dortmund

If Haaland is fit, Dortmund. If he isn't, Sevilla.

Atalanta v Real Madrid

Actually quite fancy Atalanta's chances here, Papu or no Papu.
Ciao,
Werner
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On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 1:40:34 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 8:56:24 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:

Later today.

Europa League:

Seeded:
Ajax / Arsenal / Brugge / Dinamo Zagreb / Hoffenheim / Leicester / Leverkusen / Manchester United / Milan / Napoli / PSV / Rangers / Roma / Shakhtar Donetsk / Tottenham / Villarreal

Unseeded:
Antwerp / Benfica / Braga / Crvena Zvezda / Dynamo Kyiv / Granada / Krasnodar / Lille / Maccabi Tel-Aviv / Molde / Olympiacos / Real Sociedad /
Salzburg / Slavia Praha / Wolfsberg / Young Boys

Wolfsberg v Tottenham

The sheer idea of Mou prepping Bale tactically on how to counter Sven Sprangler's
overlapping with Jonathan Scherzer while telling Son and Kane how to deal with the
midfield duo Taferner/Liendl is delightful.

Dynamo Kyiv v Brugge

50/50

Real Sociedad v Manchester United

Tough draw. Could see La Real snatching this one.

Benfica v Arsenal

A lot of things can happen until February, but Arsenal
finding their form? Doubtful.

Crvena Zvezda v Milan

90's vibe. But Milan should have this (which is bad news for
Serbia's pretensions in the UEFA ranking).

Antwerp v Rangers

Another one that could have been played in the 90's.
Rangers have impressed a lot this season, both domestically and
in Europe.

Slavia Praha v Leicester

Not that easy for Leicester but they should prevail.

Salzburg v Villarreal

Meh. Third encounter between the two, Salzburg won twice
in the 2009/10 group stages and lost twice in the 2014/15 round
of 32. A lot will depend on how well Salzburg will have been able
to replace Szoboszlai with Aaronson. 40/60

Braga v Roma

Braga could spring the upset, if it even would be one.

Krasnodar v Dinamo Zagreb

Krasnodar have been the only Russian team in Europe to
perform decently, so should at least do better against Dinamo
than CSKA.

Young Boys v Leverkusen

Molde v Hoffenheim

Annoyingly good luck in the draw for the German teams.
I wanted Hoffenheim for Wolfsberg, could have been the clash
of the Baumgartner brothers.

Granada v Napoli

Tasty.

Maccabi Tel-Aviv v Shakhtar Donetsk

Good draw for both. Which Shakhtar will show up, the one that
beat Real twice or the one that lost 0-10 against Gladbach?

Lille v Ajax

Met last year in the Champions League with Ajax winning both
matches. Still, I somehow fancy Lille here.

Olympiacos v PSV

Olympiacos were hardly stellar in the CL, and I've always rated
Roger Schmidt, so my money would be on PSV.


In terms of UEFA coefficient this was tough draw for us. Lots of direct clashes (BEL/SCO, BEL/UKR) which guarantee points and means that Salzburg absolutely need to win their tie against Villarreal if we want to stay in the fight.


Ciao,
Werner
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On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 10:26:20 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

Wolfsberg v Tottenham

The sheer idea of Mou prepping Bale tactically on how to counter Sven Sprangler's
overlapping with Jonathan Scherzer while telling Son and Kane how to deal with the
midfield duo Taferner/Liendl is delightful.

I take it this means Spurs are favorites? I would tend to agree.

Dynamo Kyiv v Brugge

50/50

Nah. Bruges.

Real Sociedad v Manchester United

Tough draw. Could see La Real snatching this one.

You definitely could.

Benfica v Arsenal

A lot of things can happen until February, but Arsenal
finding their form? Doubtful.

Maybe it's one of those seasons where they make a deep run in the EL? Yeah, let's give one to the Gooners.

Crvena Zvezda v Milan

90's vibe. But Milan should have this (which is bad news for
Serbia's pretensions in the UEFA ranking).

Milan has built a strong young core around Zlatan, and are strong contenders for Serie A. That could lead them to underestimate the EL, but not at this stage. Prostitutes.

Antwerp v Rangers

Another one that could have been played in the 90's.
Rangers have impressed a lot this season, both domestically and
in Europe.

Yeah, Rangers (Tavernier and Goldson were both on the scoresheet this weekend, if I am not mistaken - if there's no pandemic this year, we'll try to reprieve Mini-Use-the-Scalp starting with the QF round)

Slavia Praha v Leicester

Not that easy for Leicester but they should prevail.

Leicester are hit or miss. Slavia.

Salzburg v Villarreal

Villarreal.

Braga v Roma

Braga could spring the upset, if it even would be one.

Roma has been quite good this year.

Krasnodar v Dinamo Zagreb

Krasnodar have been the only Russian team in Europe to
perform decently, so should at least do better against Dinamo
than CSKA.

Let me tell you, Russian teams are crap and can't score a goal even if their life depended on them. Dinamo.

Young Boys v Leverkusen

Pretenders.

Molde v Hoffenheim

Molde!

Granada v Napoli

Granada

Maccabi Tel-Aviv v Shakhtar Donetsk

Good draw for both. Which Shakhtar will show up, the one that
beat Real twice or the one that lost 0-10 against Gladbach?

Shakhtar. They settled for the EL instead of trying to go for the win over Inter, are they going to throw it away like this?

Lille v Ajax

Interesting draw. I'll go with ixion and say Ajax.

Olympiacos v PSV

Yeah, PSV.
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Dans son message procodent, Werner Pichler a ocrit :

Barcelona v Paris Saint-Germain

Ah ah ah... :(

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Ixion
La VAR est une technologie qui a oto mise
en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
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Werner Pichler vient de nous annoncer :

Lille v Ajax

Ah ah ah... :(

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Paris sort piteusement de la Coupe d'Europe.
Pas de doute, c'est bien un club Frantais
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