Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Leipzig (9) - Manure (9)
Manure own the H2H tiebreaker so Leipzig has to win today to qualify. If
they draw and PSG lose to Istanbul then both these teams go through.
Salzburg (4) - Atletico (6)
Salzburg can pip AM to second with a win.
Group B
Inter (5) - Shakhtar (7)
RM (7) - BM (8)
The best group.
Inter through with a win if RM-BM does NOT end up a draw.
SD through with a win, or with a draw if RM does NOT win.
BM through with a win or a draw, or with a loss if Inter-SD ends up a draw. >RM through with a win, or a draw if Inter beats SD.
I think I got all that right? Maybe.
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Leipzig (9) - Manure (9)
Manure own the H2H tiebreaker so Leipzig has to win today to qualify. If they draw and PSG lose to Istanbul then both these teams go through.
Salzburg (4) - Atletico (6)
Salzburg can pip AM to second with a win.
Group B
Inter (5) - Shakhtar (7)
RM (7) - BM (8)
The best group.
Inter through with a win if RM-BM does NOT end up a draw.
SD through with a win, or with a draw if RM does NOT win.
BM through with a win or a draw, or with a loss if Inter-SD ends up a draw. RM through with a win, or a draw if Inter beats SD.
I think I got all that right? Maybe.
Only listing games here that matter.We are hipsters around here so let's also look at EL qualification scenarios: Group A:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Lazio get an early goal. Major uphill task for the Belgians now.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 7:09:01 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Lazio get an early goal. Major uphill task for the Belgians now.Pepe Reina gifts Brugge the equaliser. Back to square one.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 1:10:53 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 7:09:01 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Lazio get an early goal. Major uphill task for the Belgians now.
Pepe Reina gifts Brugge the equaliser. Back to square one.
Any relation to the Liverpool keeper from 15 years ago? Maybe his eponymous son?
Only listing group here that matters.
Group H
Basaksehir is oout. Odd man out of ManU, RB Leipzig and PSG to the EL.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:06:24 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 1:10:53 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 7:09:01 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Lazio get an early goal. Major uphill task for the Belgians now.
Pepe Reina gifts Brugge the equaliser. Back to square one.
Any relation to the Liverpool keeper from 15 years ago? Maybe his eponymous son?Reina vs. Mignolet. This match brings back memories doesn't it.
In related news, Youssoufa Moukoko just became the youngest CL player ever, beating
Celestine Babayaro's record from back in November 1994.
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious nervy-bum time for Lazio.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:20:59 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:06:24 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 1:10:53 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 7:09:01 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Lazio get an early goal. Major uphill task for the Belgians now.
Pepe Reina gifts Brugge the equaliser. Back to square one.
Any relation to the Liverpool keeper from 15 years ago? Maybe his eponymous son?Reina vs. Mignolet. This match brings back memories doesn't it.
In related news, Youssoufa Moukoko just became the youngest CL player ever, beatingReina gives up another soft goal. It's serious nervy-bum time for Lazio.
Celestine Babayaro's record from back in November 1994.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:48:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?They were a total shambles after the equaliser, and against ten men. How often have we seen this play out when an Italian team
try to sit on a one-goal lead?
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:48:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:They were a total shambles after the equaliser, and against ten men. How often have we seen this play out when an Italian team
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?
try to sit on a one-goal lead?
Onto Germany. Leipzig take a 2nd min lead through ex City boy Angelino. What. A. Strike.
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:48:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:They were a total shambles after the equaliser, and against ten men. How often have we seen this play out when an Italian team
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?
try to sit on a one-goal lead?
Onto Germany. Leipzig take a 2nd min lead through ex City boy Angelino. What. A. Strike.This is all on OGS. There I said it. Complete madness to field a defensive XI. Only leads to every player thinking "someone else will do it". And they did. Think that. Not do it.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 3:24:11 PM UTC-5, anders t wrote:
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:This is all on OGS. There I said it. Complete madness to field a defensive >> XI. Only leads to every player thinking "someone else will do it". And they >> did. Think that. Not do it.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:48:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:They were a total shambles after the equaliser, and against ten men. How often have we seen this play out when an Italian team
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?
try to sit on a one-goal lead?
Onto Germany. Leipzig take a 2nd min lead through ex City boy Angelino. What. A. Strike.
Credit to Leipzig too. They came out to play and have been almost flawless in execution.
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 3:24:11 PM UTC-5, anders t wrote:
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote: >>> >> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:48:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>> >> > On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:This is all on OGS. There I said it. Complete madness to field a defensive >>> XI. Only leads to every player thinking "someone else will do it". And they
They were a total shambles after the equaliser, and against ten men. How often have we seen this play out when an Italian team
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?
try to sit on a one-goal lead?
Onto Germany. Leipzig take a 2nd min lead through ex City boy Angelino. What. A. Strike.
did. Think that. Not do it.
Credit to Leipzig too. They came out to play and have been almost flawless in execution.
What happens in Paris?
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 3:24:11 PM UTC-5, anders t
wrote:
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, WernerThis is all on OGS. There I said it. Complete madness to
Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:48:31 PM UTC+1,
Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:They were a total shambles after the equaliser, and
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious
nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De
Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of
the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?
against ten men. How often have we seen this play out
when an Italian team try to sit on a one-goal lead?
Onto Germany. Leipzig take a 2nd min lead through ex City
boy Angelino. What. A. Strike.
field a defensive XI. Only leads to every player thinking
"someone else will do it". And they did. Think that. Not
do it.
Credit to Leipzig too. They came out to play and have been
almost flawless in execution.
What happens in Paris?
anders t vient de nous annoncer :Having watched this on DAZN it honestly appears to me quite clear
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 3:24:11 PM UTC-5, anders t
wrote:
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, WernerThis is all on OGS. There I said it. Complete madness to
Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:48:31 PM UTC+1,
Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:They were a total shambles after the equaliser, and
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious
nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De
Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of
the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?
against ten men. How often have we seen this play out
when an Italian team try to sit on a one-goal lead?
Onto Germany. Leipzig take a 2nd min lead through ex City
boy Angelino. What. A. Strike.
field a defensive XI. Only leads to every player thinking
"someone else will do it". And they did. Think that. Not
do it.
Credit to Leipzig too. They came out to play and have been
almost flawless in execution.
What happens in Paris?
On the bench, Webo, sent off by the referee at the request of
the fourth referee, accused this one to have said him "negro"
("niger" ?) so the Turkish quitted the pitch.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:33:22 PM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:BTW I'll eat my words if I was wrong and there were in fact racist attitudes
anders t vient de nous annoncer :
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 3:24:11 PM UTC-5, anders t
wrote:
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, WernerThis is all on OGS. There I said it. Complete madness to
Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:48:31 PM UTC+1,
Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:They were a total shambles after the equaliser, and
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious
nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De
Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of
the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?
against ten men. How often have we seen this play out
when an Italian team try to sit on a one-goal lead?
Onto Germany. Leipzig take a 2nd min lead through ex City
boy Angelino. What. A. Strike.
field a defensive XI. Only leads to every player thinking
"someone else will do it". And they did. Think that. Not
do it.
Credit to Leipzig too. They came out to play and have been
almost flawless in execution.
What happens in Paris?
On the bench, Webo, sent off by the referee at the request ofHaving watched this on DAZN it honestly appears to me quite clear
the fourth referee, accused this one to have said him "negro"
("niger" ?) so the Turkish quitted the pitch.
what happened. Webo yelled something from the bench that wasn't
to the fourth official's liking, he called the main ref over and as the entire team is Romanian told him 'that black guy over there' (Romanian: '-ala negru', no slur) needs to be sent off. Webo hears this and goes ballistic, yelling repeatedly 'who's the Negro?'. Tempers flare, and it appears that at the end it's also about whether it's racist to designate someone out of a group by his skin colour, and if Webo was singled
out by the fourth ref due to his colour.
A sensitive topic for sure, but more of a misunderstanding than anything. Match is supposed to be resumed in four minutes. Perhaps the players
will just pass the ball between themselves.
It seems that Basaksehir refuse to take the field.
On 2020-12-08, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems that Basaksehir refuse to take the field.
Still empty pitch. So how will this be handled? There's hardly room
for a replay. PSG wasn't involved, so no way they can be declared
losers.
And the third option could be a PR nightmare for UEFA.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:57:41 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:You are probably right. Whether it's right or wrong to single out someone because of their race, at worst it's ignorance, not malice. To walk off because of that is hypersensitivity to the extreme, and actually damages the cause of racial tolerance in the bigger picture, not help it.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:33:22 PM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
anders t vient de nous annoncer :
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 3:24:11 PM UTC-5, anders t
wrote:
Quoting Al Kamista in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, WernerThis is all on OGS. There I said it. Complete madness to
Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 8:48:31 PM UTC+1,
Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:They were a total shambles after the equaliser, and
Reina gives up another soft goal. It's serious
nervy-bum time for Lazio.
They were within inches of blowing it, but De
Ketelaere's 92' minute shot bounces off the underside of
the crossbar. How could Lazio leave him that much room?
against ten men. How often have we seen this play out
when an Italian team try to sit on a one-goal lead?
Onto Germany. Leipzig take a 2nd min lead through ex City
boy Angelino. What. A. Strike.
field a defensive XI. Only leads to every player thinking
"someone else will do it". And they did. Think that. Not
do it.
Credit to Leipzig too. They came out to play and have been
almost flawless in execution.
What happens in Paris?
On the bench, Webo, sent off by the referee at the request ofHaving watched this on DAZN it honestly appears to me quite clear
the fourth referee, accused this one to have said him "negro"
("niger" ?) so the Turkish quitted the pitch.
what happened. Webo yelled something from the bench that wasn't
to the fourth official's liking, he called the main ref over and as the entire team is Romanian told him 'that black guy over there' (Romanian: '-ala negru', no slur) needs to be sent off. Webo hears this and goes ballistic, yelling repeatedly 'who's the Negro?'. Tempers flare, and it appears that at the end it's also about whether it's racist to designate someone out of a group by his skin colour, and if Webo was singled
out by the fourth ref due to his colour.
A sensitive topic for sure, but more of a misunderstanding than anything. Match is supposed to be resumed in four minutes. Perhaps the playersBTW I'll eat my words if I was wrong and there were in fact racist attitudes in play on the referee's part.
will just pass the ball between themselves.
entire team is Romanian told him 'that black guy over there' (Romanian:
'-ala negru', no slur) needs to be sent off. Webo hears this and goes ballistic, yelling repeatedly 'who's the Negro?'.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-5, Werner
Pichler wrote:
BTW I'll eat my words if I was wrong and there were in fact
racist attitudes in play on the referee's part.
You are probably right. Whether it's right or wrong to single
out someone because of their race, at worst it's ignorance,
not malice.
Al Kamista a formul|- la demande :I think we're saying the same thing.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-5, Werner
Pichler wrote:
BTW I'll eat my words if I was wrong and there were in fact
racist attitudes in play on the referee's part.
You are probably right. Whether it's right or wrong to singleSo, describe someone with his skin colour when that is the most
out someone because of their race, at worst it's ignorance,
not malice.
significant element to distinguish him from the others is
racism ?
On 8.12.2020. 21:57, Werner Pichler wrote:There is also a famous Mexican beer called Negra Modelo, which is widely consumed in the US and referred to as such, and we all know the checkered history the US has with race relations.
entire team is Romanian told him 'that black guy over there' (Romanian:Negro are, of course, Serbian candies :)
'|a la negru', no slur) needs to be sent off. Webo hears this and goes ballistic, yelling repeatedly 'who's the Negro?'.
Local joke, Webo and Demba Ba would lose it if they saw this in a store
https://www.konzum.hr/web/products/negro-bombon-100-g-pionir
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Leipzig (9) - Manure (9)
Manure own the H2H tiebreaker so Leipzig has to win today to qualify. If they draw and PSG lose to Istanbul then both these teams go through.
Salzburg (4) - Atletico (6)
Salzburg can pip AM to second with a win.
Group B
Inter (5) - Shakhtar (7)
RM (7) - BM (8)
The best group.
Inter through with a win if RM-BM does NOT end up a draw.
SD through with a win, or with a draw if RM does NOT win.
BM through with a win or a draw, or with a loss if Inter-SD ends up a draw. RM through with a win, or a draw if Inter beats SD.
I think I got all that right? Maybe.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Leipzig (9) - Manure (9)
Manure own the H2H tiebreaker so Leipzig has to win today to qualify. If they draw and PSG lose to Istanbul then both these teams go through.
Salzburg (4) - Atletico (6)
Salzburg can pip AM to second with a win.
Group B
Inter (5) - Shakhtar (7)
RM (7) - BM (8)
The best group.
Inter through with a win if RM-BM does NOT end up a draw.
SD through with a win, or with a draw if RM does NOT win.
BM through with a win or a draw, or with a loss if Inter-SD ends up a draw.
RM through with a win, or a draw if Inter beats SD.
I think I got all that right? Maybe.
Back to football, Ajax and Atalanta tied at 0-0 at HT. Atalanta going through if this score holds.
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Leipzig (9) - Manure (9)
Manure own the H2H tiebreaker so Leipzig has to win today to qualify. If they draw and PSG lose to Istanbul then both these teams go through.
Salzburg (4) - Atletico (6)
Salzburg can pip AM to second with a win.
Group B
Inter (5) - Shakhtar (7)
RM (7) - BM (8)
The best group.
Inter through with a win if RM-BM does NOT end up a draw.
SD through with a win, or with a draw if RM does NOT win.
BM through with a win or a draw, or with a loss if Inter-SD ends up a draw.
RM through with a win, or a draw if Inter beats SD.
I think I got all that right? Maybe.
Back to football, Ajax and Atalanta tied at 0-0 at HT. Atalanta going through if this score holds.
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Leipzig (9) - Manure (9)
Manure own the H2H tiebreaker so Leipzig has to win today to qualify. If they draw and PSG lose to Istanbul then both these teams go through.
Salzburg (4) - Atletico (6)
Salzburg can pip AM to second with a win.
Group B
Inter (5) - Shakhtar (7)
RM (7) - BM (8)
The best group.
Inter through with a win if RM-BM does NOT end up a draw.
SD through with a win, or with a draw if RM does NOT win.
BM through with a win or a draw, or with a loss if Inter-SD ends up a draw.
RM through with a win, or a draw if Inter beats SD.
I think I got all that right? Maybe.
Back to football, Ajax and Atalanta tied at 0-0 at HT. Atalanta going through if this score holds.Silly second yellow and Ajax down to 10.....7 mins to go....tick tock
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 8:01:43 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Leipzig (9) - Manure (9)
Manure own the H2H tiebreaker so Leipzig has to win today to qualify. If they draw and PSG lose to Istanbul then both these teams go through.
Salzburg (4) - Atletico (6)
Salzburg can pip AM to second with a win.
Group B
Inter (5) - Shakhtar (7)
RM (7) - BM (8)
The best group.
Inter through with a win if RM-BM does NOT end up a draw.
SD through with a win, or with a draw if RM does NOT win.
BM through with a win or a draw, or with a loss if Inter-SD ends up a draw.
RM through with a win, or a draw if Inter beats SD.
I think I got all that right? Maybe.
Back to football, Ajax and Atalanta tied at 0-0 at HT. Atalanta going through if this score holds.Free-flowing fun Atalanta are surprisingly good at closing up shop.
Meanwhile Salzburg are going full in, Berisha, Koita and Daka all start. This will backfire so badly.
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:12:49 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 8:01:43 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Leipzig (9) - Manure (9)
Manure own the H2H tiebreaker so Leipzig has to win today to qualify. If they draw and PSG lose to Istanbul then both these teams go through.
Salzburg (4) - Atletico (6)
Salzburg can pip AM to second with a win.
Group B
Inter (5) - Shakhtar (7)
RM (7) - BM (8)
The best group.
Inter through with a win if RM-BM does NOT end up a draw.
SD through with a win, or with a draw if RM does NOT win.
BM through with a win or a draw, or with a loss if Inter-SD ends up a draw.
RM through with a win, or a draw if Inter beats SD.
I think I got all that right? Maybe.
Back to football, Ajax and Atalanta tied at 0-0 at HT. Atalanta going through if this score holds.Free-flowing fun Atalanta are surprisingly good at closing up shop.
Meanwhile Salzburg are going full in, Berisha, Koita and Daka all start. This will backfire so badly.I cant decide whether to watch the Salzburg or Inter or Madrid game next. So many interesting options!
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:53:57 PM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 2:12:49 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 8:01:43 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
Only listing games here that matter.
Lazio (9 pt) - Club Bugger (7 pt)
The buggers can pip Lazio to second place with a win in Italy.
Leipzig (9) - Manure (9)
Manure own the H2H tiebreaker so Leipzig has to win today to qualify. If they draw and PSG lose to Istanbul then both these teams go through.
Salzburg (4) - Atletico (6)
Salzburg can pip AM to second with a win.
Group B
Inter (5) - Shakhtar (7)
RM (7) - BM (8)
The best group.
Inter through with a win if RM-BM does NOT end up a draw.
SD through with a win, or with a draw if RM does NOT win.
BM through with a win or a draw, or with a loss if Inter-SD ends up a draw.
RM through with a win, or a draw if Inter beats SD.
I think I got all that right? Maybe.
Back to football, Ajax and Atalanta tied at 0-0 at HT. Atalanta going through if this score holds.Free-flowing fun Atalanta are surprisingly good at closing up shop.
Salzburg looks far more dangerous in the opening 10 mins. Which means Atletico should score any moment now.Meanwhile Salzburg are going full in, Berisha, Koita and Daka all start. This will backfire so badly.I cant decide whether to watch the Salzburg or Inter or Madrid game next. So many interesting options!
Real 1-0 BM
If Borussia go out there will be no one else to blame considering how many late leads they squandered.
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-5, alka... wrote:
If Borussia go out there will be no one else to blame considering how many late leads they squandered.Atletico up 1-0 thanks to a set-piece goal (what else?).
At this point, the most interesting venue is San Siro, where a draw is not enough for either team. Expect crazy stuff?
I think we're saying the same thing.
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:53:23 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-5, alka... wrote:
If Borussia go out there will be no one else to blame considering how many late leads they squandered.Atletico up 1-0 thanks to a set-piece goal (what else?).
At this point, the most interesting venue is San Siro, where a draw is not enough for either team. Expect crazy stuff?You convinced me. That's where I'm going next.
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:53:23 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-5, alka... wrote:
If Borussia go out there will be no one else to blame considering how many late leads they squandered.Atletico up 1-0 thanks to a set-piece goal (what else?).
At this point, the most interesting venue is San Siro, where a draw is not enough for either team. Expect crazy stuff?You convinced me. That's where I'm going next.
Inter 0-0 SD
I couldn't understand why Shakhtar were sitting back and time wasting when they were going out with a draw, but then I realized that they were content with a Europa League spot, which is their real level
(something Man U still haven't accepted :-)
Borussia's story is quite strange. Going out after squandering multiple late leads, they lose convincingly on the final day but go through because two teams needing a win couldn't muster a single goal between
them. Such are strange twists of fate.
Salzburg go out after a valiant effort but a couple of Atletico sucker punches. We've seen this movie before so many times.
On 8.12.2020. 21:57, Werner Pichler wrote:Negro are, of course, Serbian candies :)
entire team is Romanian told him 'that black guy over there' (Romanian:
'|a la negru', no slur) needs to be sent off. Webo hears this and goes ballistic, yelling repeatedly 'who's the Negro?'.
Local joke, Webo and Demba Ba would lose it if they saw this in a storeAxiomatics:
https://www.konzum.hr/web/products/negro-bombon-100-g-pionir
"Od++a-iar grla" on the package means (chimney)sweeper of the throat.
Here's CM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFR1Ey5Yj0
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:31:33 AM UTC+2, vedran wrote:I have heard quite a few black pundits comment on this incident on TV/podcasts. Almost all (with the exception of John Barnes, see more below) have supported the walk off. Their perspective is that growing up black in Western nations, most of them carry deep psychological baggage of having been singled out as "the black man," whether maliciously or inadvertently, way too many times in their lives. That's what caused the (seemingly to many people) extreme reaction by Webo and Demba Ba. None of them think that the Romanian official was being malicious - but almost all agree that a stand had to be taken so people think more carefully about such things. Personally, and with empathy towards what these pundits have experienced, I think it takes us into tricky territory. As John Barnes pointed out, Webo was the only black man in the 8 person Istanbul coaching staff. Are we not allowed to distinguish someone by race now, be it a black, white, brown, yellow, or green person? This will push the PC-hating crowd further to the right in my opinion, and cause bigger issue in the bigger picture.
On 8.12.2020. 21:57, Werner Pichler wrote:
Negro are, of course, Serbian candies :)entire team is Romanian told him 'that black guy over there' (Romanian: '|a la negru', no slur) needs to be sent off. Webo hears this and goes ballistic, yelling repeatedly 'who's the Negro?'.
Local joke, Webo and Demba Ba would lose it if they saw this in a store
https://www.konzum.hr/web/products/negro-bombon-100-g-pionir
"Od++a-iar grla" on the package means (chimney)sweeper of the throat. Here's CM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFR1Ey5Yj0Axiomatics:
There are biscuits labeled rCyNegrorCO made in Turkey and sold in Romania as well!
Of course, there was no racism in that Paris incident. Rather, it was a case of refusing rCLto swallow onerCOs priderCY. The Black gentleman Webo thought he heard rCLNegrorCY. He did not complain rCLWhy did you call me BlackrCY. Instead, he repeated several times rCLWhy did you call me NegrorCY.
It was explained to him that rCyNegrurCO means rCyBlackrCO in Romanian, and nothing more. No connotations of any kind. But Monsieur Webo refused to rCLswallow his priderCY (misunderstanding). That way, he aggravated his gaffe and the incident exploded into a large-scale scandal.
On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 4:31:04 AM UTC-5, ions...@gmail.com wrote:rCLThere are biscuits labeled rCyNegrorCO made in Turkey and sold in Romania as well!rCY
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:31:33 AM UTC+2, vedran wrote:
On 8.12.2020. 21:57, Werner Pichler wrote:
Negro are, of course, Serbian candies :)entire team is Romanian told him 'that black guy over there' (Romanian:
'|a la negru', no slur) needs to be sent off. Webo hears this and goes ballistic, yelling repeatedly 'who's the Negro?'.
Local joke, Webo and Demba Ba would lose it if they saw this in a store
https://www.konzum.hr/web/products/negro-bombon-100-g-pionir
"Od++a-iar grla" on the package means (chimney)sweeper of the throat. Here's CM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFR1Ey5Yj0Axiomatics:
There are biscuits labeled rCyNegrorCO made in Turkey and sold in Romania as well!
Of course, there was no racism in that Paris incident. Rather, it was a case of refusing rCLto swallow onerCOs priderCY. The Black gentleman Webo thought he heard rCLNegrorCY. He did not complain rCLWhy did you call me BlackrCY. Instead, he repeated several times rCLWhy did you call me NegrorCY.
It was explained to him that rCyNegrurCO means rCyBlackrCO in Romanian, and nothing more. No connotations of any kind. But Monsieur Webo refused to rCLswallow his priderCY (misunderstanding). That way, he aggravated his gaffe and the incident exploded into a large-scale scandal.I have heard quite a few black pundits comment on this incident on TV/podcasts. Almost all (with the exception of John Barnes, see more below) have supported the walk off. Their perspective is that growing up black in Western nations, most of them carry deep psychological baggage of having been singled out as "the black man," whether maliciously or inadvertently, way too many times in their lives. That's what caused the (seemingly to many people) extreme reaction by Webo and Demba Ba. None of them think that the Romanian official was being malicious - but almost all agree that a stand had to be taken so people think more carefully about such things. Personally, and with empathy towards what these pundits have experienced, I think it takes us into tricky territory. As John Barnes pointed out, Webo was the only black man in the 8 person Istanbul coaching staff. Are we not allowed to distinguish someone by race now, be it a black, white, brown, yellow, or green person? This will push the PC-hating crowd further to the right in my opinion, and cause bigger issue in the bigger picture.
On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 4:31:04 AM UTC-5, ions...@gmail.com wrote:rCLThere are biscuits labeled rCyNegrorCO made in Turkey and sold in Romania as well!rCY
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 3:31:33 AM UTC+2, vedran wrote:
On 8.12.2020. 21:57, Werner Pichler wrote:
Negro are, of course, Serbian candies :)entire team is Romanian told him 'that black guy over there' (Romanian:
'|a la negru', no slur) needs to be sent off. Webo hears this and goes ballistic, yelling repeatedly 'who's the Negro?'.
Local joke, Webo and Demba Ba would lose it if they saw this in a store
https://www.konzum.hr/web/products/negro-bombon-100-g-pionir
"Od++a-iar grla" on the package means (chimney)sweeper of the throat. Here's CM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFR1Ey5Yj0Axiomatics:
There are biscuits labeled rCyNegrorCO made in Turkey and sold in Romania as well!
Of course, there was no racism in that Paris incident. Rather, it was a case of refusing rCLto swallow onerCOs priderCY. The Black gentleman Webo thought he heard rCLNegrorCY. He did not complain rCLWhy did you call me BlackrCY. Instead, he repeated several times rCLWhy did you call me NegrorCY.
It was explained to him that rCyNegrurCO means rCyBlackrCO in Romanian, and nothing more. No connotations of any kind. But Monsieur Webo refused to rCLswallow his priderCY (misunderstanding). That way, he aggravated his gaffe and the incident exploded into a large-scale scandal.I have heard quite a few black pundits comment on this incident on TV/podcasts. Almost all (with the exception of John Barnes, see more below) have supported the walk off. Their perspective is that growing up black in Western nations, most of them carry deep psychological baggage of having been singled out as "the black man," whether maliciously or inadvertently, way too many times in their lives. That's what caused the (seemingly to many people) extreme reaction by Webo and Demba Ba. None of them think that the Romanian official was being malicious - but almost all agree that a stand had to be taken so people think more carefully about such things. Personally, and with empathy towards what these pundits have experienced, I think it takes us into tricky territory. As John Barnes pointed out, Webo was the only black man in the 8 person Istanbul coaching staff. Are we not allowed to distinguish someone by race now, be it a black, white, brown, yellow, or green person? This will push the PC-hating crowd further to the right in my opinion, and cause bigger issue in the bigger picture.
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