On Monday, 5 November 2018 23:09:53 UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
On Sunday, 4 November 2018 23:11:11 UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
I used to think a European Super League would be a terrible thing for the reasons you've mentioned. However, years of watching national champions lose
by four or five goals to super rich teams who only finished third or fourth
in their national league has changed my mind. I'd be happy to see the biggest
and richest 16 fight it out amongst themselves.
But then there's also this issue: these so-called Super Clubs are only Super Clubs exactly because they regularly dish out these wallopings. In a European
Super League with a franchise system logically some of these supposed big teams
would suddenly find themselves at the losing end - e.g. I can't see Milan being
currently competitive in such an environment.
For how many years could that go on before participation would actually become
detrimental for a club like Milan? I mean, noone wants to be the Detroit Lions,
right?
On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 12:07:38 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, 5 November 2018 23:09:53 UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
On Sunday, 4 November 2018 23:11:11 UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
I used to think a European Super League would be a terrible thing for the >>> reasons you've mentioned. However, years of watching national champions lose
by four or five goals to super rich teams who only finished third or fourth >>> in their national league has changed my mind. I'd be happy to see the biggest
and richest 16 fight it out amongst themselves.
But then there's also this issue: these so-called Super Clubs are only Super >> Clubs exactly because they regularly dish out these wallopings. In a European
Super League with a franchise system logically some of these supposed big teams
would suddenly find themselves at the losing end - e.g. I can't see Milan being
currently competitive in such an environment.
For how many years could that go on before participation would actually become
detrimental for a club like Milan? I mean, noone wants to be the Detroit Lions,
right?
I've underestimated UEFA's resourcefulness. If, as has been reported, they manage
to replace the current Champions League format with a chess-style Swiss System
tournament that would solve the above problem.
I actually find the idea intriguing.
Ciao,
Werner
On 2020-12-02 11:30, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 12:07:38 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, 5 November 2018 23:09:53 UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
On Sunday, 4 November 2018 23:11:11 UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
I used to think a European Super League would be a terrible thing for the
reasons you've mentioned. However, years of watching national champions lose
by four or five goals to super rich teams who only finished third or fourth
in their national league has changed my mind. I'd be happy to see the biggest
and richest 16 fight it out amongst themselves.
But then there's also this issue: these so-called Super Clubs are only Super
Clubs exactly because they regularly dish out these wallopings. In a European
Super League with a franchise system logically some of these supposed big teams
would suddenly find themselves at the losing end - e.g. I can't see Milan being
currently competitive in such an environment.
For how many years could that go on before participation would actually become
detrimental for a club like Milan? I mean, noone wants to be the Detroit Lions,
right?
I've underestimated UEFA's resourcefulness. If, as has been reported, they manage
to replace the current Champions League format with a chess-style Swiss System
tournament that would solve the above problem.
Sounds interesting. How many teams would be allowed in it ?
I've underestimated UEFA's resourcefulness. If, as has been reported, they manage
to replace the current Champions League format with a chess-style Swiss System
tournament that would solve the above problem.
I actually find the idea intriguing.
On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 7:44:59 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2020-12-02 11:30, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 12:07:38 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, 5 November 2018 23:09:53 UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
On Sunday, 4 November 2018 23:11:11 UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
I used to think a European Super League would be a terrible thing for the
reasons you've mentioned. However, years of watching national champions lose
by four or five goals to super rich teams who only finished third or fourth
in their national league has changed my mind. I'd be happy to see the biggest
and richest 16 fight it out amongst themselves.
But then there's also this issue: these so-called Super Clubs are only Super
Clubs exactly because they regularly dish out these wallopings. In a European
Super League with a franchise system logically some of these supposed big teams
would suddenly find themselves at the losing end - e.g. I can't see Milan being
currently competitive in such an environment.
For how many years could that go on before participation would actually become
detrimental for a club like Milan? I mean, noone wants to be the Detroit Lions,
right?
I've underestimated UEFA's resourcefulness. If, as has been reported, they manage
to replace the current Champions League format with a chess-style Swiss System
tournament that would solve the above problem.
Sounds interesting. How many teams would be allowed in it ?Same number as now, 32.
10 rounds, 5 home, 5 away in the Swiss System. Then continue as before with the Round
of 16, but in the old Copa Libertadores way with 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15, etc.
Biggest challenge would be organization. In the Swiss System you don't know who you're
going to play in the next round until the end of the current one. Perhaps not a coincidence
they are pushing this now that there are hardly any spectators in the stands.
I can see the appeal of the idea. Currently a lot of group matches in the last two rounds
are dead rubbers, and that wouldn't be the case in the new format. At the same time, the big
guns get what they want as they'll be more likely to play against other big guns, with the
added safety net that if you slip down the ladder you get easier opponents. But the teams
on the level below also will have more chances to win games against opponents of similar
strength. It's a bit the same system they've implemented in the Nations League.
I have a feeling such a change would also cement a development that could be observed
over the last couple of years: the big 4 grow ever more dominant, but below them the playing
field is actually levelled. France, Portugal, Russia are now closer to the countries below (Belgium,
Netherlands, Austria, Ukraine, Scotland) than they are to closing the gap to the four above.
Ciao,
Werner
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