(Why I've not dated in 14 years. I refuse to use dating apps.)

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Men need to lower their standards on dating apps, new study shows
By Andrew Court
Published July 26, 2025, 1:16 p.m. ET

International researchers analyzed the behaviors of almost
3,000 heterosexual users of a Czech dating app, with their findings
published earlier this week in the PLOS One journal. International
researchers analyzed the behaviors of almost 3,000 heterosexual users of a
Czech dating app, with their findings published earlier this week in the
PLOS One journal.

There's long been a theory that, on dating apps, 80% of women are pursuing
the top 20% of men - but new research reveals it's actually fellas who are
aiming too high when swiping for love.

International researchers analyzed the behaviors of almost 3,000
heterosexual users of a Czech dating app, with their findings published
earlier this week in the PLOS One journal.

"Men tended to express interest in women who were more desirable than
themselves, while women typically pursued men of more similar
desirability," the team uncovered.

"Men tended to express interest in women who were more
desirable than themselves, while women typically pursued men of more
similar desirability," the team uncovered."Men tended to express interest
in women who were more desirable than themselves, while women typically
pursued men of more similar desirability," the team uncovered.

To classify how desirable each user was, researchers counted the number of
swipes they received from other people on the app.

There were more male users, meaning that female users "generally ranked
more highly in this hierarchy."

Despite being spoilt for choice, the research revealed that women
sometimes "chose slightly less desirable partners on average."

However, the study showed that successful matches tended "to happen
between people with similar levels of desirability."

Thus, to avoid feeling frustrated and rejected when using dating apps, the
research suggests that men should be realistic about their own
desirability and not attempt to date out of their league.

Despite being spoilt for choice, the research revealed that
women sometimes "chose slightly less desirable partners on
average."Despite being spoilt for choice, the research revealed that women
sometimes "chose slightly less desirable partners on average."

"Our research on a Czech online dating app shows that while men often aim
high when choosing whom to contact, successful matches tend to happen
between people with similar levels of desirability. This pattern is
largely the result of rejection, rather than an initial preference for
similarity."

"The successful matching outcomes tend to align more closely with women's
preferences than with men's. This likely reflects women's stronger
position in the online dating market, as men outnumber women and are often
expected to make the first move."
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"Men tended to express interest in women who were more desirable than

> themselves, while women typically pursued men of more similar
> desirability," the team uncovered.

My one experinece many years ago with a dating system was that, I would
agree most men want a lady who is probably better than he should hope
for but, as far as women choosing men of 'similar desirability', they
usually tend to measure desirability by the size of his bank account.

Ironically, the one lady who was totally honest with me said 5 minutes
into our first date that she'd never date a man who drove an older car
like mine and probably also rated me by how I was dressed and the cost
of my watch too..

What was ironic was, I probably had more money at the time than
90% of the men she hoped to date, I just didn't advertise the fact.
I was driving a reliable 5 or 6 year old car but I had a good job
and owned a house and a cottage and had a motorcycle that was worth
about 10 times as much as my car was..

Other singles meeting situations over the years, the first question
they always ask is 'What do you do for a living?', which is usually
poorly disguised code for, 'How much money do you make?'...

What? Me cynical? B)

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Rob Mccart wrote to DIGIMAUS <=-

Other singles meeting situations over the years, the first question
they always ask is 'What do you do for a living?', which is usually
poorly disguised code for, 'How much money do you make?'...

Many women I've met were superficial like that. I've found it's become
very difficult to meet a woman that meets my own standards which is why
I've not dated in so long. As the Magic 8 Ball would say, "outlook
doubtful". XD

Right now, I'm in no shape to be dating anyway so I don't care. I
would like to have an activity partner--someone to go out and do things
with.

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Re: Dating apps
By: Digimaus to All on Sat Jul 26 2025 11:55 pm

There's long been a theory that, on dating apps, 80% of women are pursuing
the top 20% of men - but new research reveals it's actually fellas who are
aiming too high when swiping for love.

That sounds like a local issue. It is widely known that in most countries the case is the total opposite. This is so widely documented it is weird to read of the opposing case.

Also, if there are 4 women for each men then it makes sense for men to have higher standards, which is precisely what women do when they have 4 men for each woman.

Seriously, it gets a bit sickening to read "men need to lower their standards" every litle time they get at an advantaged position after so much time of it being the opposite and nobody giving it a damn.


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Re: Dating apps
By: Rob Mccart to DIGIMAUS on Mon Jul 28 2025 07:33 am

Other singles meeting situations over the years, the first question
they always ask is 'What do you do for a living?', which is usually
poorly disguised code for, 'How much money do you make?'...

I would not ask that question the first one, and when I asked it it was mainly because you want to make sure you are not dating a lazy ass.

I mean if a lady works part time herding goats that works very well for me.


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Other singles meeting situations over the years, the first question
they always ask is 'What do you do for a living?', which is usually
poorly disguised code for, 'How much money do you make?'...

Many women I've met were superficial like that. I've found it's become

>very difficult to meet a woman that meets my own standards which is why
>I've not dated in so long. As the Magic 8 Ball would say, "outlook
>doubtful". XD

Right now, I'm in no shape to be dating anyway so I don't care. I

>would like to have an activity partner--someone to go out and do things
>with.

I've sort of been hit from both sides as far as whether you appear to
have money or not. Most people meeting me and seeing how I live and
dress would assume I'm fairly poor but that's not quite true.

Others who find out certain information assume I'm rich and just
don't show it. I wouldn't say rich, but that's closer to the truth.
But I'm not one to spend a lot of money on entertainment, travel,
gifts and such so anyone after me for money ends up disappointed.

I've met a few through the years where the interest was not at
all related to money, but most of the time they end up just wanting
to do things together and be 'friends' until they find someone else
closer to what they are looking for as a spouse.

Now that I'm older I have a bigger problem since I'm in much better
shape than most people my age (or 20 years younger) so I would
probably have to find a woman who was quite a bit younger than me
just so she could keep up, but to get one of those you're probably
back to using money as bait.. B)

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Other singles meeting situations over the years, the first question

> > they always ask is 'What do you do for a living?', which is usually
> > poorly disguised code for, 'How much money do you make?'...

I would not ask that question the first one, and when I asked it it

>was mainly because you want to make sure you are not dating a lazy ass.

I mean if a lady works part time herding goats that works very well for me.

Yes, I was suggesting that women might be more likely to ask that but
that's probably not fair since asking what someone does for a living
is a good conversation starter with people you don't know much about.
I think my retained reaction is when you see their interest die off
immediately when your job sounds like one that doesn't pay a lot.

But yes, having a job at all is usually considered a positive.. B)

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Arelor wrote to Digimaus <=-

Seriously, it gets a bit sickening to read "men need to lower their standards" every litle time they get at an advantaged position after so much time of it being the opposite and nobody giving it a damn.

It's my opinion that here in the US, society and liberalism have caused
women to set unrealistic standards and behavior that men simply do not
want to deal with. Also, being Christian, I have my own standards I ant
a woman to meet. After two failed marriages, I've learned what to do
and what not to do. I'm not saying I want a perfect woman but at least
one that is in the world and not of the world.

I've not dated in 14 years and that suits me. I'd rather be alone and a
little lonely than to ever go through what I have been through again.

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Rob Mccart wrote to DIGIMAUS <=-

I've sort of been hit from both sides as far as whether you appear to
have money or not. Most people meeting me and seeing how I live and
dress would assume I'm fairly poor but that's not quite true.

If I was in the dating scene and was asked about money, I'd say, "I
can't work" and leave it at that. There are a lot of shallow women in
this area with it being a university town.

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Arelor wrote to Digimaus <=-

Seriously, it gets a bit sickening to read "men need to lower their standards" every litle time they get at an advantaged position after so much time of it being the opposite and nobody giving it a damn.

I posted that message just as a curiosity. It's always been the
opposite anywhere I've lived in the US. Seems younger women expect to
have their men by the balls.

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I've sort of been hit from both sides as far as whether you appear to
have money or not. Most people meeting me and seeing how I live and
dress would assume I'm fairly poor but that's not quite true.

If I was in the dating scene and was asked about money, I'd say, "I

>can't work" and leave it at that.

My situation was unusual there as well since, depending on what you
want to call it, I have been self employed or unemployed for the
past 39 years. I've rarely worked too many hours annually since then.
A couple of times I attempted to set up businesses or take a job
that would mean full time hours but never found anything that
worked out. But I wasn't on Government money. I always made enough
to pay the bills on my own, which got much easier once my pension
kicked in... B)

There are a lot of shallow women in this area with it being a

>university town.

I should qualify that a lot of my comments on women being after money
are from back a long time when dealing with young women looking to
find a husband (or sugar daddy). Probably when dealing with older
women with a lot more life experience they think a little differently
and more willing / able to stand on their own without a man around.

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Re: Re: Dating apps
By: Digimaus to Rob Mccart on Thu Jul 31 2025 02:48 pm

If I was in the dating scene and was asked about money, I'd say, "I
can't work" and leave it at that. There are a lot of shallow women in
this area with it being a university town.

The "I can't work" line is quite bad even if the person asking what you do for a living is honest rather than shallow.

I remember a gal I quite liked. I could have tried something with her but she had a crippling disability and mid term that is something I can't accomodate in my life.


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Re: Re: Dating apps
By: Rob Mccart to DIGIMAUS on Sat Aug 02 2025 06:11 pm

I should qualify that a lot of my comments on women being after money
are from back a long time when dealing with young women looking to
find a husband (or sugar daddy). Probably when dealing with older
women with a lot more life experience they think a little differently
and more willing / able to stand on their own without a man around.

I know it is a meme already, but I find the notion so broken.

I mean, when you complain that girls my age are all superficial and after your looks, money or any hard emotion you can put on the table, you get told: that is because you are trying young immature ones. Try a level-headed mature lady instead.

And the problem is the mature level-headed ones probably come with a lot of emotional luggage, sons, you name it, and you are a fallback plan because their other 1st and 2nd marriages failed, and you are just next try.


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Arelor wrote to Digimaus <=-

The "I can't work" line is quite bad even if the person asking what you
do for a living is honest rather than shallow.

It's the truth. If they don't like it, they can bugger off. I don't
want to waste my time or theirs. If you saw me in person, that's pretty
obvious quickly.

I remember a gal I quite liked. I could have tried something with her
but she had a crippling disability and mid term that is something I
can't accomodate in my life.

You'e not alone with that line of thought. I once was called "excess
baggage" and these days, they're right. After two failed marriages, I
think I'm better off alone, If I meet someone while stumbling along
life's path, that's fine, but actively looking for somerone is a waste
of time for me.

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I should qualify that a lot of my comments on women being after money

> > are from back a long time when dealing with young women looking to
> > find a husband (or sugar daddy). Probably when dealing with older
> > women with a lot more life experience they think a little differently
> > and more willing / able to stand on their own without a man around.

I know it is a meme already, but I find the notion so broken.

I mean, when you complain that girls my age are all superficial and after you

>ooks, money or any hard emotion you can put on the table, you get told: that
>because you are trying young immature ones. Try a level-headed mature lady in
>ad.

But that may mean dating women a lot older than you when you are young.

Not directly related but I remember dating women up to 23 years old
when I was 17.. B)

And the problem is the mature level-headed ones probably come with a lot of e

>ional luggage, sons, you name it, and you are a fallback plan because their o
>r 1st and 2nd marriages failed, and you are just next try.

Yes, that's what I meant about being able to stand on their own and
not 'needing' a man.. That doesn't necessarily mean you can't get
into a successful long term relationship with one.. just that she
won't take as much crap as one who feels she can't stand on her own.

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But that may mean dating women a lot older than you when you are young.

Not directly related but I remember dating women up to 23 years old
when I was 17.. B)

Here in the states, in most states that would be considered illegal on her part. ;)

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Mike Powell wrote to ROB MCCART <=-

Here in the states, in most states that would be considered illegal on
her part. ;)

"Sixteen'll get you twenty."

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Here in the states, in most states that would be considered illegal on her part. ;)

"Sixteen'll get you twenty."

I think the saying around here started with Fifteen. Now that I think about it, when I was that age I think there was some sort of "sliding scale"
maybe to account for people in school together. So an 18 year old could
date someone as young as 16, 19 could date 17, but no one could go below 16.

That could have also just been something that 16 & 17 year old teenagers
told each other that wasn't true, though. :D

Mike


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Not directly related but I remember dating women up to 23 years old

>> when I was 17.. B)

Here in the states, in most states that would be considered illegal on her

>part. ;)

Ha.. I didn't think of that, especially at the time. I'd have been quite
happy to get involved with her even if I'd been 14.. maybe 12.. B)

Technically the age of consent here is 16 but it can be as young as
14 if the other person is no more than 5 years older.

I just found that out and was quite surprised. It would have opened
up the dating pool quite a bit back when I was 17 or 18.. B)

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Here in the states, in most states that would be considered illegal on
her part. ;)

"Sixteen'll get you twenty."

And here I thought in places like the Tennessee hills the girls were
getting married at 13 or 14.. B)

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Ha.. I didn't think of that, especially at the time. I'd have been quite happy to get involved with her even if I'd been 14.. maybe 12.. B)

I didn't really get to thinking too much about women much older than myself until I was about 19 and in college. Before that, I never figured anyone
old enough to be out of school would be interested in a high schooler.

Now that I have gotten older, it does seem like a lot of women, especially teachers (!!!), are in the news for being interested in high school kids. :O

Mike


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Hello Rob,

Friday August 08 2025 08:37, you wrote to DIGIMAUS:

And here I thought in places like the Tennessee hills the girls were getting married at 13 or 14.. B)

That hasn't been the case in 45 years or more. Now West Virginia, I don't know about.

I susprct incest is still common.

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Ha.. I didn't think of that, especially at the time. I'd have been quite

>> happy to get involved with her even if I'd been 14.. maybe 12.. B)

I didn't really get to thinking too much about women much older than myself

>until I was about 19 and in college. Before that, I never figured anyone
>old enough to be out of school would be interested in a high schooler.

I probably thought about a few of them but they mostly didn't return
the favour. My sister is 3 years older than me and was 4 grades ahead
of me after she skipped a year, so she had girlfriends that were
3 or 4 years older than me.. and 17 year old girls are generally a
little better built than 13 year olds... B)

I did have a bit of an advantage when younger though since I
was already 5' 10" when I was 13.. If the male pickings were
thin for the ladies, I was at least taller than them.. B)

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I didn't really get to thinking too much about women much older than myself

>until I was about 19 and in college. Before that, I never figured anyone
>old enough to be out of school would be interested in a high schooler.

I probably thought about a few of them but they mostly didn't return
the favour. My sister is 3 years older than me and was 4 grades ahead
of me after she skipped a year, so she had girlfriends that were
3 or 4 years older than me.. and 17 year old girls are generally a
little better built than 13 year olds... B)

I was the oldest of 5. The rest were all girls. So, the girlfriends were
all younger.

I did have a bit of an advantage when younger though since I
was already 5' 10" when I was 13.. If the male pickings were
thin for the ladies, I was at least taller than them.. B)

I think I was as tall as I am now at ~14. That didn't seem to help much, though, as most the girls around my age them were into two types of guys... deadbeats who'd upset dad, and those who were, ummm, "ambiguous" and might
wear makeup, like George Michael or one of the Duran Duran. :D

Mike

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Hello Rob!

** On Monday 28.07.25 - 07:33, Rob Mccart wrote to DIGIMAUS:

What was ironic was, I probably had more money at the time than
90% of the men she hoped to date, I just didn't advertise
the fact. I was driving a reliable 5 or 6 year old car but
I had a good job and owned a house and a cottage and had a
motorcycle that was worth about 10 times as much as my car
was..

And.. you never explained it that way to them? ;)

Other singles meeting situations over the years, the first
question they always ask is 'What do you do for a
living?', which is usually poorly disguised code for, 'How
much money do you make?'...

Ironically.. if you wait long enough, "retired" can represent a
secure financial result to them. :D ..and by then, they
would be looking to possibly inherit your riches! :) that's a
positive! :D


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Re: Dating apps
By: August Abolins to Rob Mccart on Sun Aug 10 2025 12:28 pm

And.. you never explained it that way to them? ;)

Personally, if it were me, if I learnt within the first 5 minutes I am dealing with a gold digger, I would not bother clarifying I am swimming in money. Not worth it. It depends on what you are looking for, though.

Also RE: retired people being a safe option. Here there was a study that shows one of the biggest attractors is having options to a good heritage. By that I mean 10 years ago women considered how much money you have, nowadays youg men don't have any money so women evaluate which sort of money their parents have.

This comes to show the blackhole the West has plunged itself into. When you consider what you want a woman for long term, women of these sort have unjustifiable prices. ie. I want a woman to help running the horseyard and help me canning the crops and take responsibility of the house while I am away. In the large scheme of things I could hire people to help with these tasks for less money than a modern girlfriend/wife will suck out of my wallet.


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I didn't really get to thinking too much about women much older than myself

>until I was about 19 and in college. Before that, I never figured anyone
>old enough to be out of school would be interested in a high schooler.

I probably thought about a few of them but they mostly didn't return

>> the favour. My sister is 3 years older than me and was 4 grades ahead
>> of me after she skipped a year, so she had girlfriends that were
>> 3 or 4 years older than me.. and 17 year old girls are generally a
>> little better built than 13 year olds... B)

I was the oldest of 5. The rest were all girls. So, the girlfriends were

>all younger.

That sounds like trouble.. B)
I guess it depends on how Much younger your sisters were..

I did have a bit of an advantage when younger though since I

>> was already 5' 10" when I was 13.. If the male pickings were
>> thin for the ladies, I was at least taller than them.. B)

I think I was as tall as I am now at ~14. That didn't seem to help much,

>though, as most the girls around my age them were into two types of guys...
>deadbeats who'd upset dad, and those who were, ummm, "ambiguous" and might
>wear makeup, like George Michael or one of the Duran Duran. :D

At 13 and 14 the girls were usually taller than almost all the guys in
the classes I was in. Being taller was an advantage..

I also may have come off as a 'bad boy' to some extent as I was
saving to buy my first motorcycle and was wearing Harley T-Shirts
and studded jeans to school..

Umm.. I may have been thrown out of a few classes for acting up
and come in late from lunch a time or two from a fist fight
out behind the school.. But, hey, no one is perfect.. B)

Another advantage was I had a number of years playing hockey by
that time and our school used to take the older classes to an
arena to skate in winter, supposedly just skating in a circle to
Teen Throb music.. and being a skilled skater, I was one of the
few who as able to Dance on skates.. Spins and skating backwards
while holding hands with the ladies.. B)

And here I didn't think my hockey career would pay off... B)

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What was ironic was, I probably had more money at the time than
90% of the men she hoped to date, I just didn't advertise
the fact. I was driving a reliable 5 or 6 year old car but
I had a good job and owned a house and a cottage and had a
motorcycle that was worth about 10 times as much as my car was..

And.. you never explained it that way to them? ;)

Never on the first date. That was mostly me thinking back on
one first date I had. Most women aren't rude enough to call you
a loser within the first 10 minutes of the first date and start
rhyming off how rich you have to be to date thm.

Other singles meeting situations over the years, the first
question they always ask is 'What do you do for a
living?', which is usually poorly disguised code for, 'How
much money do you make?'...

Ironically.. if you wait long enough, "retired" can represent a

>secure financial result to them. :D ..and by then, they
>would be looking to possibly inherit your riches! :) that's a
>positive! :D

Yes, although it depends a bit on how much they know about your
situation and if they know it all...

My Pensions are pretty low since I haven't worked for anyone
else in the past 39 years, or set up a pension account for myself.
If they got to see that one cheque they will assume I'm poor but
they may not yet know that I have other investments that on a
decent year can often triple that amount, or potentially do so.
I usually don't take those earnings unless something unusual
requires it, I have them added to the amount I have invested.

My expenses are ridiculously low so normally my basic Canadian
pensions pay all my bills with a fair amount left over to spend
or add to savings..

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I think I was as tall as I am now at ~14. That didn't seem to help much,

>though, as most the girls around my age them were into two types of guys...
>deadbeats who'd upset dad, and those who were, ummm, "ambiguous" and might
>wear makeup, like George Michael or one of the Duran Duran. :D

At 13 and 14 the girls were usually taller than almost all the guys in
the classes I was in. Being taller was an advantage..

I can remember that being so at 12, when I was one of the few taller ones.
They didn't like us at all. They did like the taller guys a grade or two
ahead if they fit into one of the two categories I listed above, especially
the deadbeat one... if they were held back a grade or two they were a hot commodity.

I also may have come off as a 'bad boy' to some extent as I was
saving to buy my first motorcycle and was wearing Harley T-Shirts
and studded jeans to school..

So you might have been able to pass yourself off as a "deadbeat" even if
you were not one. :)

Another advantage was I had a number of years playing hockey by
that time and our school used to take the older classes to an
arena to skate in winter, supposedly just skating in a circle to
Teen Throb music.. and being a skilled skater, I was one of the
few who as able to Dance on skates.. Spins and skating backwards
while holding hands with the ladies.. B)

And here I didn't think my hockey career would pay off... B)

We didn't have that here so I cannot compare, but I bet that would have
helped!

Mike

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Personally, if it were me, if I learnt within the first 5 minutes I

>am dealing with a gold digger, I would not bother clarifying I am
>swimming in money. Not worth it. It depends on what you are looking
>for, though.

That makes me think of an old joke where a well dressed older man
asks a pretty waitress (or?) if she'd consider sleeping with him
for $10,000..

The young lady somewhat taken aback hesitates.. and then says yes.

The man then says, Okay, how about $10 ?

She says, What?.. No!.. What do you think I am?!??

To which he replies, We have already established that.
Now we are haggling over price... B)

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Hello Rob!

** On Wednesday 13.08.25 - 07:54, Rob Mccart wrote to ARELOR:

That makes me think of an old joke where a well dressed older man
asks a pretty waitress (or?) if she'd consider sleeping with him
for $10,000..

The young lady somewhat taken aback hesitates.. and then says yes.

The man then says, Okay, how about $10 ?

She says, What?.. No!.. What do you think I am?!??

To which he replies, We have already established that.
Now we are haggling over price... B)

Oh boy! And the ultimate winner in that case depends on
whether the man spoke to the man before or after placing the
order. If before, then she probably spit into his food.

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I think I was as tall as I am now at ~14. That didn't seem to help much,

>though, as most the girls around my age them were into two types of guys...
>deadbeats who'd upset dad, and those who were, ummm, "ambiguous" and might
>wear makeup, like George Michael or one of the Duran Duran. :D

At 13 and 14 the girls were usually taller than almost all the guys in

>> the classes I was in. Being taller was an advantage..

I can remember that being so at 12, when I was one of the few taller ones.

>They didn't like us at all. They did like the taller guys a grade or two
>ahead if they fit into one of the two categories I listed above, especially
>the deadbeat one... if they were held back a grade or two they were a hot
>commodity.

The only guy in our school that was held back (twice) was plenty big
but had some sort of mental condition making him less than ideal
dating material.

But, man, could he hit a baseball though!.. Over the fences every time.
(I was the pitcher on our school baseball team.)

I also may have come off as a 'bad boy' to some extent as I was

>> saving to buy my first motorcycle and was wearing Harley T-Shirts
>> and studded jeans to school..

So you might have been able to pass yourself off as a "deadbeat" even if

>you were not one. :)

The jury may still be out on whether I was or not.. B)

Funny, one lady I dated was still living at home just out of university
and a few years younger than me, so I was established in a career at
the time.. The first time I met her rather well off 'fussy' parents I
had come directly from a sales call at work so I was wearing a suit
and driving my new T-Bird at the time. They took to me right off, but
I sort of wonder what would have happened if the first time they met
me I'd been on my motorcycle wearing jeans and leather.. B)

Ha.. I met her on a 'guided' hike in the Niagara Escarpment.
It was advertised for singles but the lady guiding us thought it
was a lot more about the hike than a singles meet. Needless to
say they got quite a few people showing up for it that maybe
shouldn't have been out on a long, difficult hike.

It probably didn't help that she got us lost for a while too.. B)

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